Calling out lifeofcrime

[codestryke]

Ok so you play a word game .. My game StateofCrime, there game LifeofCrime. Fine, some people lack creativity.

Then put your tag down as "Creating Online Addictions", eXtremeCast's has been "Creating Online Addictions, one game at a time". Fine again, your just looking like a fool now.

What chaps my hide now though is signing up for my game and then spamming the ingame chat with your game, continually. I don't and have never done that, I get my members the old fashion way, submitting to search engines and PAYING for banner space. I'm sick of you fly by night game owners that get a script, put it up then go around and soak off other games with the same themes player base. This sort of thing should not be tolerated in the PBBG community and I'm here to calll you out Crashy and Slashmore, yes you two.

Slashmore hasn't done it directly but his partner Crashy has. Both are previous players that came from StateOfCrime and know damn well we don't condone this practice. The kicker here is Slashmore asking for help to duplicate features that are found on our game that didn't come with the base code that he's working off of.

[Slashmore]

Ok so you play a word game .. My game StateofCrime, there game LifeofCrime. Fine, some people lack creativity.

Then put your tag down as "Creating Online Addictions", eXtremeCast's has been "Creating Online Addictions, one game at a time". Fine again, your just looking like a fool now.

What chaps my hide now though is signing up for my game and then spamming the ingame chat with your game, continually. I don't and have never done that, I get my members the old fashion way, submitting to search engines and PAYING for banner space. I'm sick of you fly by night game owners that get a script, put it up then go around and soak off other games with the same themes player base. This sort of thing should not be tolerated in the PBBG community and I'm here to calll you out Crashy and Slashmore, yes you two.

Slashmore hasn't done it directly but his partner Crashy has. Both are previous players that came from StateOfCrime and know damn well we don't condone this practice. The kicker here is Slashmore asking for help to duplicate features that are found on our game that didn't come with the base code that he's working off of.

I lol'd..


I've never once signed up to your game, All the ideas come from Crashy and players. I just help him code.

So if someone starts making a new game and they have a crime page they have copied it from you?  How about a place for forums also. Just because your game has something don't mean other don't and can't have them.

I don't go spamming games, I know what its like lacking on members, I wouldn't want to put that on someone. I'll be having words with Crashy about this.

Thanks,

Slashmore

P.S  NYX, I look forword on reading your post, 99.9% you will reply.

[Pdquinn]

I dunno, there are quite a few similarities. Bordering on unoriginal.

[codestryke]

All basic ideas come from our game which Crashy has played and been banned from numerous times. You yourself have been here asking for help with code about features that have been well established in our game for some time. The thing I'm not sure your aware of is the code you are attempting to modify is the same exact code I started with. So the examples you are showing for help I know very, very well. How you got the code interests me (since I know the parties involved) but no matter I know where you are coming from and you are basically (at your level of coding) out of your league.

As for you not ever playing our game, might be true anyone can create a Hotmail / Gmail address with any name they want. However an account named Slashmore is created with an email of seanleeashmore and a password that is also simaliar to email a big coincidence to look over. Then add a partner that spams our game whenever he gets the chance.. Well, connect the dots...

And finally to add the cherry on top of this sundae no one on this form has EVER called my partner NYX. The only ones that shorthand her name like are from our games. How would you know her well enough by her single post to you that she would feel the need to respond. The familiarity of this is just to strong.

Hey whatever.. You gave me the inspiration to create SCUMOFTHENET.COM website. Soon to be online to out people like you and your partner.

Cheers

[die4me]

I know you are mad but this is not the place to bring out an argument. Please have a little restraint and not bring this here to this site. So please settle this in pms emails or at least in general discussion.(I am sure the other members would appreciate it if you do that)

[raestlyn]

I know you are mad but this is not the place to bring out an argument. Please have a little restraint and not bring this here to this site. So please settle this in pms emails or at least in general discussion.(I am sure the other members would appreciate it if you do that)

Nah, I need some soap opera! LET THE FLAME WARS BEGIN!!!

[codestryke]

Die4me who in the heck are you? You spammed this forum so you could get access to free codes!

This is the exact place to air this stuff out as we are all game owners (well most of us). Once you get a game going put a couple years worth of work into the code and advertising of the game and someone pops on the forums asking for advice on how to mimic your game then talk to me and then spam your game with theres. This has been going on for too long, IMHO, at what point do you sit and take it and and what point do you stand up and say enough is enough. For me this time is now, for you, well you don't get a vote. And no not mad, just pissed off because this is isn't the first time with one of our games.

Personally to me this shows the type of character the person is so when the time comes that they need help or ask for something to be coded that others can see how they are, it speaks of character.

Until you Die4me are in this situation then don't comment about it, period. That would be appreciated.

[lolninja]

I can totally see the need for a site like scumofthenet.com, maybe later on down the road you could have an rss feed or something that contains known username's and email addresses of known offenders, so they if they join other games those owners could be alerted to possible abuse, so they can keep an eye on that users activity.

Another thing re-guarding the following quote...

However an account named Slashmore is created with an email of seanleeashmore and a password that is also simaliar to email a big coincidence to look over.

Isn't it standard good practice to hash users passwords, in case of a security vulnerability either due to old or buggy software, and if this is the case how is it possible to know of any similarity between username and password?

I'm not trying to pick fault, its just when I see people talking about passwords alarm bells start ringing.

[Slashmore]

All basic ideas come from our game which Crashy has played and been banned from numerous times. You yourself have been here asking for help with code about features that have been well established in our game for some time. The thing I'm not sure your aware of is the code you are attempting to modify is the same exact code I started with. So the examples you are showing for help I know very, very well. How you got the code interests me (since I know the parties involved) but no matter I know where you are coming from and you are basically (at your level of coding) out of your league.

As for you not ever playing our game, might be true anyone can create a Hotmail / Gmail address with any name they want. However an account named Slashmore is created with an email of seanleeashmore and a password that is also simaliar to email a big coincidence to look over. Then add a partner that spams our game whenever he gets the chance.. Well, connect the dots...

And finally to add the cherry on top of this sundae no one on this form has EVER called my partner NYX. The only ones that shorthand her name like are from our games. How would you know her well enough by her single post to you that she would feel the need to respond. The familiarity of this is just to strong.

Hey whatever.. You gave me the inspiration to create SCUMOFTHENET.COM website. Soon to be online to out people like you and your partner.

Cheers

So someone signed up with the same name?  That means its me 100%?  Ermm, I don't quite think so but I will sign up when I get some time to check it out..

All basic ideas come from your game. Says the one who uses bits from other games, What was it the faq?  tos?   One of 'em. Me and Crashy are really good mates. And you wanna know where the script I'm using come from, Well your be waiting a long time before you find out. Same as the NYX thing, Me and Crashy are good mates..

I've had a word with Crashy, He will no longer be spamming your game.


Good day,

Sean

[mobeamer]

I agree with codestryke, without airing this, nothing comes of it. The alleged culprit will just ignore any PMs.

I'd like to get the full story as well. 

Let us wait and see if an apology is forthcoming.

Sorry it happened to you man.

[Slashmore]

Your gonna be waiting a long to to get an apology from me, I haven't got any need to give you one..

[03laceys]

So i am guessing this is where the idea of scum of the net came from.

[die4me]

Die4me who in the heck are you? You spammed this forum so you could get access to free codes!

This is the exact place to air this stuff out as we are all game owners (well most of us). Once you get a game going put a couple years worth of work into the code and advertising of the game and someone pops on the forums asking for advice on how to mimic your game then talk to me and then spam your game with theres. This has been going on for too long, IMHO, at what point do you sit and take it and and what point do you stand up and say enough is enough. For me this time is now, for you, well you don't get a vote. And no not mad, just pissed off because this is isn't the first time with one of our games.

Personally to me this shows the type of character the person is so when the time comes that they need help or ask for something to be coded that others can see how they are, it speaks of character.

Until you Die4me are in this situation then don't comment about it, period. That would be appreciated.

I don't even use the vault and at least i don't come here and cry oh my site got spammed and such. I was nice about asking not to post this kind of crybaby stuff here but if you want to go ahead. ( you really need to grow up )

[xBleuWolfx]

So this might be a bit off topic, but it relates to the content in this thread. A friend of mine created The GRPG (if you're not familiar with it, its a mafia-style PBBG like State of Crime) completely from scratch after playing Mafia Battle for sometime. A few months after it was released, someone on the Mafia Battle forums mentioned it and this pissed off the admin. He started ranting on about how The GRPG was borderline copyright infringement only because the game style was similar and it used a light-on-dark color scheme for the design.

Also, I have to agree with Die4Me. Though it is kind of entertaining to "watch" you guys argue (kinda like raestlyn said) I don't think this is the place to discuss it.

[codestryke]

Then where is the place to put it out then? We banned, we asked for it stop along with the members of our game. All along I played nice guy and watched him ask for help on his code to make it work like mine here on the forums. I even pointed him to some of the answers he was asking for. I did this because we weren't spammed for a while but then  on Saturday they struck again and enough was enough.

Like I said at what point to you stand up for yourself? This is just not a concern of mine but many others as I've had multiple partnership requests for SCUMOFTHENET.com as well as people stepping up to say they would just like to help code and add content to the site. People are sick of this and having a place to stand up.

Neither of you are game owners (Die4U & Boltgog) and this topic / thread has been about game ownership and having to deal with these kinds of things. Like I said before when you do get a game going and someone tries to siphon your users with there game then come talk to me. I don't care that they are coping the game or duplicating features I have, it's a mafia game (they are pretty much all the same). I've had this happen way to many times to even count or even care anymore. What bothers me is the spamming in my game.

I don't even use the vault and at least i don't come here and cry oh my site got spammed and such. I was nice about asking not to post this kind of crybaby stuff here but if you want to go ahead. ( you really need to grow up )

Funny I don't see your rep all that high, nor do I see you adding anything great to this community. I've written many of articles here, helped I don't know how many people and have bought things from other members. Ya know instead of just going out and copying them So I think this gives me a little bit of a leeway in letting me speak my piece. Especially when I think it's a benefit to the community and let them know they are not alone when dealing with this.

[jannesiera]

I know you are mad but this is not the place to bring out an argument. Please have a little restraint and not bring this here to this site. So please settle this in pms emails or at least in general discussion.(I am sure the other members would appreciate it if you do that)

Nah, I need some soap opera! LET THE FLAME WARS BEGIN!!!

Lol, you've got me lauging out loud again!

Now, my 2 cents:

I don't want to go on about codestrykes problem. In my opinio this is the place to talk about these things, but this has to be done in a decent way. There should be an efford to get to results.

I can say bad things about every party involved, but that would not contribute anything useful. We have to draw conclusions.

So I hope the spamming has stopped, if not, bad luck. You will have to find another way to protect yourself. This forum isn't the place for that. It's just a place to get the problem on the table, not to fix it. The result of this conversation full of blaming and insulting other people is that the idea of "scum of the net" is out there.

If you need help etc I will be happy to make an efford.

[Pdquinn]

Where are moderators on these board. Past couple of days I have seen multiple rule infractions and no moderators about.

[raestlyn]

We have Zeggy, and no-one else. Why do you post that in this thread? I see no rules infractions in this one.

My 2 (euro)cents:
I think this kind of discussion is great for few reasons;
1. It spawned a good site (or atleast an idea) for identifying asshole game owners who use unethical ways to gain members.
2. This kind of discussion does make you show your "true colors".
3. I had 3rd and 4th point, but I forgot them when I started to type. I'll post them later.

[Slashmore]

Yeah Crashy has agreed to stop the spaming..

Last thing, Hes saying you stole Soc off the owner a year or so ago, I dunno if it is true but if you like to commit crimes online thats your choice I spose.

[codestryke]

Umm no.

The series of events, and it's been at least three years btw.

1. Oby and another party (where I'm guessing you got the codes since I have the original banner) partner up and hire an Indian firm to code a copy of Bootleggers.

2. State of Crime / NY Mafia was born and both went online. The code though was absolute crap, NY Mafia fell first and Oby frustrated brought down State of Crime because it wouldn't run and exploits were numerous.

3. Oby contacts me and asks me if I want the code to SOC. Not really into Mafia games but always up for a challenge I took the code. After 2 months of re-writes I put State of Crime online. Fixed of exploits and able to sustain more then 10-20 players online without bringing the server to it's knees.

4. Game starts to get popular with me writing or re-writing large portions of the game. The Indian company also was still pointing to SOC as part of there profile. Little HTACCESS mod and those coming from said company were redirected to a page that explained how horrible they were at coding games. Oby was just happy to sit there and play admin.

5. Finally people decide to buy points or I put the points page back online (I'm a little fuzzy on this myself). Anyways the paypal information was still directed to Oby and he received all the monies. I changed the code to point to my paypal as I was writing and hosting the game but for the initial codes / domain I figured Oby should keep it. He refused and sent the money back to me which was NOT a small amount mind you.

6. Some large whales started to play and were buying huge amounts of points. At this point I felt guilty in taking so much money so, once again, I offered money to Oby. He declined, yet again.

7. Oby started to flake as an admin, real life was getting in the way. He'd come in once in a while do his thing and leave. This started to frustrate myself and partner.

8. Oby and a RL friend decided to have some fun with the game. I'm not going to get into it cuz it's water under the bridge with he and I but his adminship was revoked and he was banned.

9. I always trusted Oby as we had a history together from my other game BordelloBattles and then it continued to SOC. He offered to switch the domain of SOC and I declined. Once he was banned he took the domain and pointed it to his MySpace page. I moved the game over to a new domain called SavageUnderground. The game still flourished, the players don't care about who runs the game only that the game is there and it's being actively developed.

10. Oby seeing that his coup didn't work finally gave us the domain and we switched it back. We basically patched up our differences and we went on.

10. Frustrated with the database and overall game I re-wrote the entire game from scratch so I could add more advanced features. Now Oby comes back and wants money. Sorry I offered not once but twice and declined (actually three times cuz another paypal incident happened). I'm not going to beg you to take money. I know whats fair but to be declined 3 times thats it, the matter is closed. You can't give something away and then later say.. "oh yea you owe me money".

The game was given to me (still have those logs).
The game is now mine, period, not a lick of code remains of the original nor is the database the same.
I offered money and it was declined.
End of story.

[OBY]

Hey codestryke is pretty much stating the facts.  I felt guilty that he was making the game better and thought he deserved the money.  Although I only think the paypal ordeal only happened once or twice and it was only a couple hundred combined. 

I still admire what he has done with it and wish things didn't have to end the way they did.  Not long ago I offered to help out with administering a game for him and things looked like they were turning positive.  I sent a follow up message not long ago and got a angry message saying I was part of LifeofCrime (which I am not), I am just a member there just like I am at SOC.  I rarely play games anymore since becoming an admin.  I have no desire to play.  Once having the power to control even minor things, it takes the fun out of a game when you are a player.

[Slashmore]

codestryke - I've been thinking..

If I was to have made a game from scratch someone comes along and copies it I'd be pissed off.

So..  I'm willing to put all this behind us and delete lifeofcrime. If we can come to some kinda deal I'm more than happy to delete it. I'm thinking of making a kinda monster game anyways. Something uniqe. And I will rouch for OBY. I have never once given him Cpanel, Hes never given me ideas and hes never been staff.. He has just been a normal player like the rest. I only told him because I used to like talking to him.

But thats all the past I hope, If you wanna PM me or post here, Either way I'll reply.

[Pdquinn]

Actually you both suck and should be ashamed. You are helping keep the dumb masses, dumb. Your lack of originality is astounding. Perhaps if these were original ideas and had original elements I could understand the anger. But both your games are cookie cutter mafia games.


So there. Stick to your nifty hacker game

[mdshare]

Not allowed - so I didn't say it -

But it's easy to flood someones server ... that's what I would do if someone starts to spam in a game I own ...

doesn't has to be a ddos attack, simple mysql flooding does the job, most of those guys (crime/mafia themed games) have all the same mistake and that's having mysql queries on their main page , no need even to create a ingame account to perform mysql flooding.

If not , they all seem to have a user search/list most not even indexed .... just have some 1 sec refreshes with 10 accounts and see ...

[codestryke]

Slashmore,
I never had a problem with the games or the code, period. Read the original message in the thread! What pissed me off is spamming your game on mine. Competition breads creativity but when we dump a couple hundred dollars into advertising a month and you get someone spamming there game on yours you can see when I got pissed, can you not? Since then it's stopped and I've only responded to others and yourself for trying to call me out.

Pdquinn,
At least Slashmore is running a game, I don't see you running anything but your mouth in every thread you can. Maybe you should log into the games and then judge and not just say "hey it's another mafia game". The code base is not based on the current crop of mafia games that are out there. And yes there are a lot of original elements in my game that I added though the years but as I said to Slashmore the code or game was never the problem. The problem is when you spam another game with yours. If and when you get a game going and you start paying for advertising how 'bout I come to your game and start spamming forums, in-games and chat with my game? Oh and StateOfCrime has been going for almost 4 years, we've been here way before the influx of Mafia games hit the net, we are just wading out the saturation phase.

mdshare,
Ya the thought crossed my mind many times.. However I've mastered my Zen of Anger LOL.