SuperReward as payment system?

[Blacklava]

Hi,

been contacted by them... Looks like an all in one payment solution and not only a reward tool with surveys and stuff like that.
They handle CC, Paypal, SMS, phone billing and those surveys

Someone tried to bill through them?
http://www.srpoints.com/ this is the website

[neuronix]

Been contacted too. We've set it up but haven't yet published it on our site. Ratios look rather okay, about 60% on SMS

[Mufasa]

Any feedback on 'em?

*edit* their system is VERY similar to Tatto Media's, and they turned out to be a ripoff.

[neuronix]

I'll give you some feedback once we've tried it for a few weeks

[Blacklava]

Any feedback yet?

[Mufasa]

I personally removed them. Too many reports of shady offers, not receiving credit, and their backend always showed a heck of a lot less than my own stats showed.

[Blacklava]

What about the billing system itself?
(not sure but seems your comment is mainly about their free offers?)

The component which might be our target is their new flash billing system, could be a nice tool for a 100% flash browser game.

[Mufasa]

flash billing system? I don't follow.

*edit* just saw it. I think BLVD-Media's is better, but if it helps with them actually crediting offers (which is one of my main problems with them right now), it might be worth it.

*edit2* looks like you can't embed the flash offer wall in HTML, it needs to be called from within a swf...

[133794m3r]

now i don't know how the rest of you feel about this but using a service such as Super Rewards, Offerpal, or anything remotely similar to farmville and facebook's goons are using is not going to help your credibility for alot of people. Since most players(should) know that these things are scams to take away their money and nothing more and show that the developer sees them as nothing more than a quick buck and doesn't want to ask for their money upfront but would rather scam them by making them complete "free" offers.

I know this much... any game that's taken up these methods outside of facebook(with it's drones of morons who actually play those games and use these "rewards" more than once know that they're getting scammed and stop that) don't do well. The players revolt and the game's developer is given a black eye to everyone of it's players and thus players are extremely less likely to suggest this game to another person or if they know about it they'll tell their friends to avoid it. Now this may just be within my monkey sphere but everyone that i know of/talk to on a regular basis avoids anyone who uses such methods at all costs. And if you want to have yourself seen as an unprofessional developer who's attempting to scam his players for everything they're worth then go right ahead and use these types of "deals".

All of the good ones are gone now, there's no more "Free netflix" items on there all of the legitmate advertisers are gone since they were abused. Now 99.9% of the "offers" are scames to get players to end up spending 3*+ what they're getting as a "reward". And big companies rely on this to make their money. Until someone finds out about it they're doing good.  Until someone's been scammed by one of these things or read about someone who has they won't know about it. So you may be able to use it for awhile, but know that once someone actually uses it and they scam them they'll most likely leave your game and never come back. They'll also tell anyone they know to spread the word that you see your players as nothing more than "suckers" who you want to "scam every cent out of them."

Since all browser-based games are f2p or well as it should be known "sort of free to play" you have to walk a tight-rope that balances between what you can sell and how much for, and charing too much and seeming greedy. The point is try to balance inbetween this and make yourself seem like a really caring developer or developers depending on how large your group is. IF you do this then you're more likely to get more players. You don't see blizzard implenting these "offerpal" and such other things in any of their games, and you can say "but yeah they're huge right now they could" yes they could they could easily do almost anything and get away with it but they also knwo their userbase. The best free to play games that keep players are those which balance the free player with tehpaying player. The worst ones get random "surges" of players and then when they see it dropping they say "screw it lets' add everything" and they milk it for everything it's worth as they fund it with their other games and they're constantly adding in more and more games all done with similar artwork similar style and using their same game engine. That's how they get away with it, unless it's china or some other asian country where it's commonplace to pay to win and it be the normal thing.

[Mufasa]

I wholeheartedly disagree. I think players are more savvy than you give them credit for, and they KNOW these "offers" are just a means to an end.

My players regularly report offers that don't convert as well as give other players tips on how to get offers to convert and not be hassled (use a prepaid cell, an email address dedicated for offers etc). Yes, there are higher-paying offers that prey on people not canceling a trial, but most of those require credit cards and users ignore them anyway.

PayPal and cell payments still make up the bulk of my earnings, but I did a decent amount last month from BLVD Media, TrialPay and yes, SR Points.

[133794m3r]

I wholeheartedly disagree. I think players are more savvy than you give them credit for, and they KNOW these "offers" are just a means to an end.

My players regularly report offers that don't convert as well as give other players tips on how to get offers to convert and not be hassled (use a prepaid cell, an email address dedicated for offers etc). Yes, there are higher-paying offers that prey on people not canceling a trial, but most of those require credit cards and users ignore them anyway.

PayPal and cell payments still make up the bulk of my earnings, but I did a decent amount last month from BLVD Media, TrialPay and yes, SR Points.

to each their own then... i just know that i don't like to be linked to such a scamworthy site as offerpal, super rewards and such other companies. I guess if you're ok with it then so be it.

Super Rewards and all of their others are known for their bad partices in scamming people, spamming people, and also installing viruses/spyware/adware on the end users computer.

Developers all have their lines that they won't cross i guess.... i just know that i shall never have anything that has been linked too and is known to be for a majority filled with spam/scams and harm to the end users computer. I doubt there's any real offers on it anymore that still work(don't quote me on that i haven't checked up on them and their things), but if there are there are very few of them. If it's working for you then so be it, most users don't care until they find out how bad of a practice such things are.

We all have an ethical return standard that we shall never cross and i'd rather not even remotely risk having something that i was having on my site saying that it was for them and then have that harming their computer.

[Mufasa]

Oh seriously, quit grandstanding. Yes, you're oh so moral. We get it. God has a cookie for you.

[Harkins]

Good thing players are even more unethical and keep using them even when fully informed of these possibilities.

[pixlepix]

frpm my experiance as a player, these are scams.